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Occupy Movement and TEA Party Similarities… or Lack Thereof
by Real Deal on Jan.26, 2012, under Morality, Taxation, TEA Party, US
The Democrats have said that the Occupy Party was their answer to and “just like” the Tea Party. You decide…….
| REPORTED |
OCCUPY PARTY |
TEA PARTY |
|
ARRESTS |
4149+ |
0 |
|
DEATHS |
7 |
0 |
|
RAPES |
12 |
0 |
|
ARSON DAMAGE |
$10,000,000.00 |
$0 |
|
PUBLIC DEFECATION |
YES |
NO |
|
ANTISEMITIC RANTS |
12 |
0 |
|
COST TO TAXPAYERS (11/9) |
$19,327,487..00+ |
$0 |
|
PUBLIC MASTURBATION |
3 |
0 |
|
MOLOTOV COCKTAILS THROWN |
10 |
0 |
|
FIGHTS STARTED |
YES |
NO |
|
CHILDREN EXPLOITED |
YES |
NO |
|
POLICE CARS DAMAGED |
2 |
0 |
|
PUBLIC DRUNKENNESS |
YES |
NO |
|
DRUG POSSESSION ARREST |
YES |
NO |
|
CONCEALED WEAPON ARREST |
YES |
NO |
|
DRUG OVERDOSE |
YES |
NO |
|
THEFTS |
YES |
NO |
|
BURGLARIES |
YES |
NO |
|
VANDALISM ARREST |
YES |
NO |
|
TRESPASSING ARREST |
YES |
NO |
|
NON FATAL SHOOTINGS |
1 |
0 |
|
PUBLIC URINATION |
YES |
NO |
|
URINATION ON OTHERS |
YES |
NO |
|
ISRAELI FLAGS BURNED |
2 |
0 |
|
AMERICAN FLAGS BURNED |
1 |
0 |
|
AMERICAN FLAGS DANCED ON |
1 |
0 |
|
AMERICAN FLAGS DESECRATION |
25 |
0 |
|
FELONY ASSAULT ON AN EMT |
1 |
0 |
|
HEAD/BODY LICE OUTBREAKS |
1 |
0 |
|
TUBERCULOSIS OUTBREAKS |
1 |
0 |
|
MURDER |
1 |
0 |
|
SUICIDE |
1 |
0 |
|
SHOTS FIRED AT WHITE HOUSE |
1 |
0 |
|
SCABIES OUTBREAKS |
1 |
0 |
|
OBAMA ENDORSED |
YES |
NO |
|
PELOSI ENDORSED |
YES |
NO |
|
CAIR ENDORSED |
YES |
NO |
|
SOCIALIST PARTY ENDORSED |
YES |
NO |
|
NAZI PARTY ENDORSED |
YES |
NO |
|
MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD ENDORSED |
YES |
NO |
|
COMMUNIST PARTY ENDORSED |
YES |
NO |
|
BIDEN ENDORSED |
YES |
NO |
|
HUGO CHAVEZ ENDORSED |
YES |
NO |
|
BLACK PANTHERS ENDORSED |
YES |
NO |
|
HEZBOLLAH ENDORSED |
YES |
NO |
|
MARXIST UNION ENDORSED |
YES |
NO |
|
9/11 TRUTHER ENDORSED |
YES |
NO |
|
BOLSHEVIK ENDORSED |
YES |
NO |
|
IRAN GOVERNMENT ENDORSED |
YES |
NO |
|
AYATOLLAH ENDORSED |
YES |
NO |
|
NORTH KOREA ENDORSED |
YES |
NO |
|
FARRAKHAN ENDORSED |
YES |
NO |
|
NATION OF ISLAM ENDORSED |
YES |
NO |
Yup, now I see the similarities……..
Former Penn State Center Chris Marrone Recalls Joe Paterno Welcoming him to the GOP at Memorial Service
by Real Deal on Jan.26, 2012, under GOP, US, Video
Chris Marrone, currently serving as the Acting Assistant Secretary of Defense for Legislative Affairs in addition to his position as the Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Legislative Affairs, recalls fond memories of Joe Paterno, who continued to mentor him well after he left Penn State and went into politics. In this bit, he recalls how Joe congratulated him on becoming a republican, to much applause from the audience.
Translations of Common Euphemisms used by Democrats
by Real Deal on Jan.26, 2012, under Govt Spending, Politics, Satire, Taxation
The following guide will translate commonly used terms by democrats and the rest of the left wing media into real life meanings that we can all understand.
|
Democrat Term |
Real Life Meaning |
|
Arsenal of Weapons |
Gun Collection |
|
Delicate Wetlands |
Swamp |
|
Undocumented Worker |
Illegal Alien |
|
Cruelty-Free Materials |
Synthetic Fiber |
|
Assault and Battery |
Attitude Adjustment |
|
Heavily Armed |
Well-protected |
|
Narrow-minded |
Righteous |
|
Taxes or Your Fair Share |
Coerced Theft |
|
Commonsense Gun Control |
Gun Confiscation Plot |
|
Illegal Hazardous Explosives |
Fireworks or Stump Removal |
|
Non-viable Tissue Mass |
Live Unborn Baby |
|
Equal Access to Opportunity |
Socialism |
|
Multicultural Community |
High Crime Area |
|
Fairness or Social Progress |
Marxism |
|
Upper Class or “The Rich” |
Self-Employed |
|
Progressive, Change |
Communism |
|
Homeless or Disadvantaged |
Bums or Welfare & Leeches |
|
Sniper Rifle |
Deer Rifle with scope |
|
Investment For the Future |
Higher Taxes |
|
Healthcare Reform |
Socialized Medicine |
|
Extremist, Judgmental, or Hater |
Conservative |
|
Truancy |
Homeschooled |
|
Victim or Oppressed |
Criminal or Lazy Good-For-Nothing |
|
High Capacity Magazine |
Standard Capacity Magazine |
|
Religious Zealot |
Attends Church |
|
Fair Trade Coffee |
Overpriced Yuppie Coffee |
|
Exploiters or “The Rich” |
Employed or Land Owner |
|
The Gun Lobby |
NRA Members |
|
Assault Weapon |
Semi-Automatic handgun |
|
Fiscal Stimulus |
New and Higher Taxes |
|
Same Sex Marriage |
Legalized Perversion |
|
Mandated Eco-Friendly Lighting |
Chinese Mercury-Laden Light Bulbs |
|
Accepted Fact |
Leftist Media Lie |
|
Middle Class |
Victims of Socialism |
|
Tax Cuts for the Rich |
Real Economic Stimulus |
CNBC GOP Debate by Michigan Republican Committee Review and Analysis at Rochester Oakland University November 9 2011
by Real Deal on Nov.10, 2011, under Debates, Economy, Elections, GOP, Govt Spending, Obama, Presidency, Taxation
Location: CNBC GOP Debate at Oakland University, Rochester Michigan
Date: November 9, 2011
Moderators: Maria Bartaromo and John Harwood. Several other CNBC reporters participated in the questioning, including the fiery and popular Jim Cramer of Mad Money.
Immediately below are the participants in order of how they performed in the debate, and their best quotes of the night. Following that is the debate summary.
![]() Ron Paul |
Ron Paul U.S. Representative (Texas); Physician “The symptom is the current tax code, but the disease is spending.” “We need to differentiate between capitalism and crony-capitalism.” “The fact that there is over $1 trillion in student debt is proof that the government loans program is a complete failure.” |
![]() Mitt Romney |
Mitt Romney Governor, Massachusetts; CEO, 2002 Winter Olympics Organizing Comm.; Co-Founder, Bain Capital “The best way to improve the economy is to do the exact opposite of what Obama has done.” “The government needs to get out and let the markets work.” |
![]() Hermann Cain |
Herman Cain Chairman/CEO, Godfather’s Pizza; Chairman, Kansas City Federal Reserve Bank; CEO, National Restaurant Association “The tax code doesn’t raise taxes, politicians do.” “There are two other big problems with Dodd-Frank: Dodd, and Frank.” |
![]() Newt Gingrich |
Newt Gingrich Speaker of the House, U.S. Representative (Georgia); History Professor “I have yet to hear a single reporter ask a single Occupy Wall Street person a single rational question about the economy … for example, “Who is going to pay for the park you are occupying if there are no businesses making a profit?”" |
![]() Michele Bachmann |
Michele BachmannU.S. Representative (Minnesota): State Senator; Attorney “We have the highest corporate tax rate in the world. Capital is mobile… and moves to where the lower tax rates are.” |
![]() Jon Huntsman |
Jon Huntsman Ambassador to China, Governor, Utah; Deputy U.S. Trade Representative “People are sick and tired of taxpayer money to bailout big corporations, and we’re not having it anymore.” |
![]() Rick Perry |
Rick Perry Governor, Texas: State Representative; State Agriculture Commissioner “Washington shouldn’t pick winners or losers; if you’re too big to fail, you’re too big.” “All regulations starting in 2008 need to be examined, and if it’s killing jobs, then get rid of it.” |
![]() Rick Santorum |
Rick Santorum U.S. Senator, U.S. Representative (Pennsylvania); Attorney “We need to repeal all Obama regulations… repatriate those funds… have major energy development, and cut all subsidies.” |
The debate was claimed to be almost entirely about the economy, and for the most part it was, but the line of questioning was somewhat odd, of course slanted, and specific questions demanded 30 second sound-byte answers, which kind of defeats the purpose about a general economic debate.
The first question was about whether we should let Italy’s economy fail, kind of an obscure question about the US economy, but no doubt CNBC wanted the participants to either commit or not to a foreign bailout, citing that if the IMF fails, US banks would.
Most of the contestants had different ways of saying we need to get government out of artificially propping up the banks, and let the market work by itself. Paul was able to enunciate those points the best, and Newt added that Bernanke needs to be fired.
The next question from Maria, directed at Cain was apparently because CNBC was not satisfied with current level of infatuation by the media with the sexual harassment charges against Cain, but the audience became unruly at the question, and emitted some boos from being tired of hearing it already.
Cain stood his ground and was did not falter in vehemently denying what he called “unfounded accusations.” He went further to say that for every accuser that has come forth, thousands of people would say that the behavior never came from Cain.
CNBC was still unsatisfied with the saturation of this topic, as Harwood asked Romney if, as a CEO he would have fired Cain for such behavior. This was question was booed out by the crowd, and after the roar subsided, Romney wisely stepped back from the mic and said, “Cain has responded… I have nothing to say about it.”
Harwood then announced he would switch back to the economy, amid cheers from the crowd, and directed a class warfare question to Huntsman about 1% of the US making so much money, to which Huntsman said he wanted to be the president of the 1% and the 99%, but that America is sick and tired of taxpayer money going to bailouts.
Cramer then followed up with another class warfare oriented question to Romney on whether corporations have a “social responsibility” to create jobs, or whether they should just make profits.
Romney explained off the top of his head that profit is what’s left after all the employees and executives are paid, and are then used to expand business and grow jobs. The profits and the job growth goes hand in hand, but Obama doesn’t like business and that’s the problem.
Newt then ripped into the media, “Sure. Look, obviously, corporations can and should do both. And what is amazing to me is the inability of much of our academic world and much of our news media and most of the people on Occupy Wall Street to have a clue about history.” Then added the media is inaccurate in reporting about the economy.
Maria took offense at this and asked him to be specific about the inaccurate reporting, to which Newt replied, “I have yet to hear a single reporter ask a single Occupy Wall Street person a single rational question about the economy that would lead them to say, for example, “Who is going to pay for the park you are occupying if there are no businesses making a profit?”
Then questioning ensued about why Romney doesn’t have a flat tax like the rest of his opponents. Mitt responded that he’d like to focus on what can be done immediately to help the middle class, which has been hurt the most, by lowering their taxes. But he’s not opposed to a flat tax in the future.
Others were asked to justify the “fairness” of their plans by making poor people pay more and rich people pay less, obviously with no regard to the fact that the poor pay nothing and the top 25% of income earners pay over 85% of the taxes under the current code.
Bachmann explained it best by saying 53% pay income tax and 47% do not, which is a big problem. She said everyone should pay something even if it’s only $10, because everyone benefits from living here.
Most of the other candidates agreed that taxes and regulations need to be lowered, and support some sort of flat tax which grows employment, which takes care of most of the problems. What they forgot to emphasize was that cutting taxes on the job creators is one sure way to create jobs, and we’d rather have poor people working then collecting government welfare.
Maria then gave them 30 seconds to say what they would do instead after repealing Obamacare, to which Newt scoffed and said it’s an $18 billion industry that affects everyone’s lives, and it can’t possibly be answered in 30 seconds.
Most of the others stated in some form that the problem can be resolved by states, tort reform, and that doctors and patients can work out plans without the government regulating something. Bachmann added that individuals should be allowed to buy any health insurance they want, outside the office, with no minimum requirements.
Perry said that we need to focus on providing health care rather than sick care, and need to get rid of frivolous lawsuits. Cain said that the bill was already written called HR3000, which “Princess Pelosi” held in committee and never brought out for a vote.
On student government loan programs, most agreed that the government needs to get out of education, leading to Paul’s great quote about the loan program being a disaster that lowers the quality of education, and raises tuition rates. The subject then changed rapidly depending on the candidate’s talking points.
In the media highlight of the night, Perry announced he would cut out three cabinet level departments: Education, Commerce, and he forgot the third one. He appealed to Paul for the third, to which Paul replied he had 5 departments to cut. Perry would not remember until the next question that the third was Energy. It should be noted here that Perry would have finished about 3rd in this debate without this gaffe.
The media didn’t care that Obama thought there were 57 states, or that he couldn’t name even ONE program he would cut in the debates with McCain, but there will be no such forgiveness for Perry. Similarly, they didn’t care that Clinton was accused of actual physical sexual aggravation charges bordering on rape, but there will be no such forgiveness for Cain.
The question was proposed about how to avoid companies outsourcing to China to save on costs. Most contestants said that lowering US taxes would level the playing field. Mitt was most vocal, saying that China was a cheater, and he would label China as a currency manipulator and slap tariffs on them, due to China artificially devaluing their currency, stealing US info through hacking, and piracy.
Newt said the problem was complex and he would probably rely on someone like Huntsman who had a lot of experience with China. Huntsman said applause-lines like slapping them with tariffs wouldn’t work, and China could claim the US was manipulating their own currency via “quantitative easing,” and then retaliate with tariffs on US products, creating a trade war.
The question was posed about how to gain bipartisan support, and only a few answered it with lackluster responses. What I really wanted to hear was one of them say: the answer is to get rid of all the democrats in congress that have been steadily destroying this country, and replace them with people that will work for the country rather than against it.
New Black Conservative, Same Tired Democrat Playbook
by Real Deal on Oct.31, 2011, under Elections, GOP, Obama, Presidency, Racism, US
Now that Hermann Cain has established himself as a leading contender in the GOP Presidential Primary, it’s time for the left wing to start attacking him.
They won’t attack him on his record of running successful businesses or his common sense political views however; it’s time to get personal.
Like Clarence Thomas, who the leftists still hate vehemently, they brought up some old sexual harassment allegations against Cain that were apparently never proven.

The facts seem to be that Cain, as president of the National Restaurant Association, fired a woman, who retaliated with a sexual harassment claim, in order to get some severance pay, which she then received in order to dismiss the matter.
If you’re not familiar with this type of business, what happens especially with large corporate organizations, is they will consider the cost of sending the CEO to court to defend charges versus a payoff to shut up the alleged victims. The cost of the settlement normally pales in comparison to that of the legal battle, which can drag out into massive attorney fees, not to mention horrible publicity for the executive and the company. Even if the charges have no substantiation, some kind of settlement is always far cheaper.
Why is this subject so important anyway? It’s not, but to the Democrat-controlled media it is a big part of their smear campaign against Cain.
It wasn’t important that Bill Clinton had numerous sexual harassment allegations against him, some of which included rape-like cases, rather than just “inappropriate comments” that Cain and Thomas were accused of. They tried to cover up the Weiner episodes and instead go after the accusers to vilify them instead.
It wasn’t important that Obama admitted in his book before being fraudulently elected, that he had been a drug abuser in college. Who cares if the person controlling the world’s largest nuclear arsenal is a drug abuser?
Things like that aren’t important. What is important is to smear conservatives on unsubstantiated personal attacks, because you can’t beat them on the issues.
In a disgustingly biased personal attack on Cain, posing as an actual news article in the Huffington Post titled “Intellectual Rigor vs Rigor Mortis,” the writer tries to portray Cain as some kind of idiot that would get wasted by the intellectually superior Obama in a debate.
No really, this is what they wrote about. The former CEO of a successful restaurant chain and the major national trade association for restaurants, is some kind of a dunce.
Obama, who has never run anything except a successful campaign, would beat up on Cain like Ali vs Urkel, it claims.
Here’s an excerpt:
“Beauty and brains against bigotry and bias. Truffle against trifle. You get the point. Obama does his homework and is not afraid of facts. But taking a look at Cain’s political positions, there is a consistent pattern of obstinate wrongheadedness.”
Wow, no bias there. The Obama “beauty and brains” comment is so nauseating that it’s hard to even read it, or any of the rest of that piece of garbage disguised as an article, but it was worth quoting just so you can see their vile, slanted, hatred towards conservatives.
Obama isn’t afraid of the facts that he has almost completely destroyed the US economy, and would have succeeded by now if the GOP hadn’t taken control of the house? Or the fact that he increased federal spending by over 30% his first year in office? Or the fact that he’s getting beat in the polls by a generic GOP candidate?
There are few facts that Obama should not be frightened about, such as the majority of the media who support him and his communist policies. Or the fact that he will likely raise more money from unknown sources than his opponent in next year’s election.
By far the majority of real facts do not reveal anything positive about Obama or his ability to run anything except a successful campaign using other people’s money.
Hermann Cain is infinitely more qualified than Obama to run anything, including his mouth. Cain actually understands how businesses operate and create jobs and wealth, since that is what he spent his career doing.
Obama only knows how to rob people of their wealth so that the government can spend it, while running his mouth about how great he is for doing so.
One of the best racist liberal rants about Cain is that “he knows his place in the back of the bus.” If the back of the bus includes being a CEO for a multimillion dollar company, maybe more people should be headed for the back seat.
Michelle Obama “All This For a Damned Flag?”
by Real Deal on Oct.28, 2011, under Communism, News, Obama, US, Video
Oops, Michelle Obama let the cat slip out of the bag once again. It turns out she still isn’t proud of her country despite her husband holding the highest office in the land. Of course, that is something for which we should all be duly embarrassed, but at least Obama and his family should be proud of it.

Perhaps she is, but Michelle still has no pride or respect for the American Flag, that’s for sure. You don’t have a to be an expert lip reader to see that in this video, after the flag ceremony at a funeral, that she turns to Obama and asks, “All this for a damned flag?” To which, Barry just nods as she shakes her ugly, disrespectful, pathetic head.
You may not have any respect for the flag, Michelle, but for many of us it stands for a country that once meant something for freedom and economic opportunity, something that your husband and his fascist commie henchmen have taken away with every passing day.
Please continue to share the truth about these communist tyrants that are pretending to run the country.
Republican Presidential Pizza Party Debate GOP Review and Analysis
by Real Deal on Oct.27, 2011, under Elections, GOP, Politics, Satire
This week the Republican Party and Godfather’s Pizza held an untelevised pizza party debate for the current GOP presidential candidates. The following is a synopsis of what transpired during the round table discussion.
Sponsors: Godfather’s Pizza and the GOP
Location: Chicago, IL
Moderator: None
Participants: Gov Mitt Romney, Gov Rick Perry, Gov Jon Huntsman, CEO Herman Cain, Sen Rick Santorum, Rep Newt Gingrich, Rep Ron Paul, Rep Michele Bachmann
In a more friendly form of debate this week, the GOP candidates gathered around for a friendly pizza party at Godfather’s Pizza to discuss the issues. There was no moderator, but most of them were stuffing their faces enough that everyone had sufficient time to speak.
The results are in, and here is the summary of their individual performances.

Mitt Romney and his leftover pizza for Obama HQ
| Candidate | Pizza Choice | Details |
| Rick Perry | 1 large meat-lovers | Perry couldn’t quite finish his pizza, but gave it a good run. He explained that the cattle and pork industry in Texas was large enough to feed the entire nation with all the meat-lovers pizzas they could buy. He also poked fun at Mitt’s choice of pizza, calling it a “Romneycare pie.” |
| Mitt Romney | 2 small veggie pizza | Mitt ate one entire personal thin crust pizza slowly with a fork and knife, taking time outs to rag on Perry’s policies, and at one point claimed that Perry’s pizza was probably made mostly by illegal immigrants from Texas. He sent his leftover pizza to Obama’s campaign headquarters. |
| Michele Bachmann | 1 medium Hawaiian | Although she ordered a medium, Bachmann could only eat 2 slices before going to the restroom during the commercial break to purge. After that, she was significantly hungry to eat one more slice. She said if the income tax were removed, more Americans could eat pizza regularly. |
| Jon Huntsman | 1 medium Peking pie | The Peking pizza consists of some chicken breast, peppers, and onions, topped with Peking duck sauce. Huntsman said he discovered it while ambassador to China. He said that companies should be able to experiment freely with pizza and come up with their own breakthrough ideas. |
| Rick Santorum | 3 large pizzas: 1 supreme, 1 veggie, and 1 pepperoni | Santorum ate a few slices of the supreme, saying he liked meat but the veggies help with his constipation. He gave the rest to his family sitting nearby, explaining his girls like the veggie pies. He claimed a proven track record of standing up for pizza choice in America. |
![]() Hermann Cain serves up some pie |
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| Hermann Cain | 1 medium pizza with sausage, ham and onions | Cain said he liked his pizza simple, but that it wasn’t as good as when he was CEO of Godfather’s. He said that his 999 Plan would enable more pizza companies to go into business, as well as making pizza more affordable to taxpayers at all levels. |
Newt Gingrich ![]() |
2 medium supremes | Newt said he would have ordered a large, but might still go hungry, and that life is too short to not enjoy as much pizza as one wanted. After all of that talk, he couldn’t finish the second one, but promised he would after he got home. In between stuffing his pie-hole, he delivered his usual glib witticisms and told the fellow candidates to stop squabbling like children, but what else is new? |
| Ron Paul | 1 medium supreme | Paul ate most of his supreme, supporting Santorum’s claim that the veggies help keep him regular. He caveated that by defending everyone’s right to eat pizza however they want, without being judged. He added that government intervention in the pizza industry causes problems, and vowed to get rid of pizza subsidies. Paul also delivered the most memorable line, “nothing shuts my pie-hole but pie.” |
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The winner of the debate? You decide. Just don’t judge based on their pizza orders…
(This has been a fictional piece of satire provided by Real Deal Politics. The pizza party debate never happened but perhaps would be a good thing to have so we can find out more about the candidates.)
Gaddafi Dead: Pictures and Video; Biden Taking Credit for Obama
by Real Deal on Oct.20, 2011, under International, News, Obama, Presidency, US, Video, War
October 20, 2011
Jo Biden is already taking credit for the Gaddafi death, saying, “We spent only $2 billion without losing a single life, and he’s dead.” The fact is that US forces weren’t even part of the air strike or ground troops that found the dictator, which is the primary reason there was no US loss of life, and we had no business in Libya anyway. Senator Mccain has jumped on the bandwagon, giving Obama credit.

Gaddafi Dead Mug Shot
A NATO strike on his compound at 6am sent his convoy speeding away, but they could not outrun more NATO jets that struck his vehicles. Obama will no doubt at some point falsely claim that he ordered the strike, just like he lied about the Bin Laden death, which he also had nothing to do with.
Gaddafi then tried to escape on foot but to no avail. Gaddafi was reported to have been found hiding in a concrete pipe, pleading for his life. He was shot in the head and legs, and the details are unclear, but it appears he was fatally shot after he was found, telling them to not shoot, as an execution.

Pipe where Gaddafi was found hiding
The opposition forces who found the tyrant then paraded his body around for international TV so that everyone could see he was indeed dead, shouting “Allahu Akbar” (Allah is Great). They immediately released photos and videos, including the shaky video below provided by the UK Mirror. It has been reported that this rebel group is also persecuting Jews in the name Allah.
The bottom line is that the tyrant who once called Obama his muslim brother during a speech (that’s on video, it’s true) is now dead and it has nothing to do with this administration’s incompetent foreign policy.

Gaddafi and his brother Obama
All of Obama’s actions in sending US soldiers off to die in foreign lands that they shouldn’t be in, are geared to shore up his national security credentials, which he doesn’t have, so that he can claim he’s tough on foreign policy and so forth, to get re-elected.
GOP CNN Debate Review and Analysis October 19 Las Vegas Sands Western Republican Leadership Conference
by Real Deal on Oct.19, 2011, under Debates, Elections, GOP, Govt Spending, Immigration, Presidency, Religion, Taxation, War
Sponsors: CNN and the Western Republican Leadership Conference
Location: Sands Expo Convention Center, Las Vegas, NV
Moderator: Anderson Cooper (90)
Participants: Gov Mitt Romney, Gov Rick Perry, CEO Herman Cain, Sen Rick Santorum, Rep Newt Gingrich, Rep Ron Paul, Rep Michele Bachmann (Gov Huntsman boycotted due to date changes.)

GOP Debate Participants and Moderator Anderson Cooper 90
The debate began with Anderson Cooper’s open-ended invitation for everyone to attack Hermann Cain, an offer they all took him up on. Then it proceeded with quarreling and attacking, mostly involving Romney and Perry, and ended with Newt disapproving of the constant squabbling during the debate.

Romney and Perry bickering during CNN Las Vegas Debate
The following is a list of topics to choose from in this article. Underlined comments in the section represent best answers given.
Ranking the Debaters and Summary
Obamacare Alternatives and How to Implement Them
How to Secure the Mexican Border
Opening a National Nuclear Depository at Yucca Mountain
Nevada Devastated by Real Estate Bubble
The “Occupy Wall Street” Idiots
Should a Candidate be Judged on Religion
Proposed Defense Budget Cut of $500 Billion
Foreign Aid: Should it Continue?
Who Can Beat Obama in the Presidential Election?
This is how the candidates performed and their best answers or quotes. Note, these are not a ranking of the candidates themselves, just how they performed in the debate.
| Rank | Candidate | Notes | Comment or Quote |
| 1 | Newt Gingrich, Former Speaker of the House | Smartest person on stage, best debater, with most sense and knowledge | “The idea that we have a bunch of historically illiterate politicians, who have no sophistication about national security trying to make a numerical decision about the size of our defense budget, tells you everything you need to know about the bankruptcy of the current power to lead in this country, in both parties… to say I’m gonna put the security of the US against some arbitrary budget number, is suicidally stupid.”
“Maximizing bickering is probably not the best road to the White House.” |
| 2 | Ron Paul, House Rep from Texas | Hard to argue with his limited government common sense policies. Had best responses in several categories, see right column | “Too much government is the problem… whenever government gets involved in something, the prices go up.”Paul wants to remove the incentives for illegal aliens to be here, and to stop the group mentality of giving to one group (race) of people and removing benefits from another, and also that we should worry more about securing our own border than the Afghanistan-Pakistan border.Paul questioned the right of 49 other states to punish one state by dumping their garbage in it. The private companies should solve it, and energy shouldn’t be subsidized.
“Foreign aid is where you take money from poor people in this country and give it to rich people in other countries, where they use it to build weapons of war.” |
| 3 | Mitt Romney, former Mass Governor | Co-smartest person, wealth of knowledge on issues. Too much bickering with Perry | Romney said that Nevada should be able to say no if they don’t want the nuclear storage at Yucca, and the energy companies should give them a good deal to change their mind. States could have competing bids if Nevada doesn’t want it.Romney pointed out that we’re borrowing money from China and handing it over to other countries. |
| 4 | Rick Santorum, former Penn Senator | Also very sharp, with great specific knowledge on issues, but too much bickering. | Santorum said the voters should pay attention to the candidate’s values and what their faith teaches them about how to live their lives.Santorum said that less than half the people in a recent Pew poll could even name one of the GOP candidates. He stated his track record as winning twice in the swing-state of Pennsylvania, against Democrat incumbents, as an unabashed conservative. |
| 5 | Michele Bachman, House Rep from Minn | Smart and interesting, but gave too many specifics on what’s wrong, with no specifics on how to fix | Bachmann said you can’t give congress a new tax because they won’t get rid of the old one and they’ll raise the rate on it, whatever it may be. Her plan, which was not specified, calls for abolishing the income tax and flattening it for all Americans, but everyone should pay something.Bachmann’s take was a bit different, as she believes it already costs $118 billion per year for our government to take care of illegal immigrants, robbing each American household of about $1000 per year. |
| 6 | Hermann Cain, former CEO of Godfather’s Pizza | Didn’t have time to adequately defend and explain his economic plan, seemed discouraged after initial attack. | Cain had few allies, but defended his plan, said the math is available on his web site, and told the other candidates they were trying to mix apples and oranges, as in national and state sales taxes. He emphasized removing the 10 million word tax plan with something simple that would create jobs.Cain said that Wall St didn’t put in place failed economic policies or destroy the economy, and they’re taking out their frustration in the wrong place. They should be going to the White House. |
| 7 | Rick Perry, current Governor of Texas | Another bad night, got too involved personally with Romney, and anger was showing | Perry said we need an administration that doesn’t block our ability to harvest our own energy, so we can create jobs and have energy independence.Perry stated that we could build a fence, but it would take 15 years and $30 billion, but in the meantime we need boots on the ground. A wiser expenditure would be to build fences in places where it makes sense, and use predator drones to monitor the entire border and give real time information to soldiers on the ground. |
Details of the debate are listed below by category. Best answers are underlined.
Bachmann said you can’t give congress a new tax because they won’t get rid of the old one and they’ll raise the rate on it, whatever it may be. Her plan, which was not specified, calls for abolishing the income tax and flattening it for all Americans, however, everyone should pay, even if it’s just one dollar, just for the benefit of living here. Obama’s plan is destroying the economy.
Others such as Perry and Romney told Cain his plan “wouldn’t fly” because people would have to pay a national and state sales tax, in fact doubling purchase tax in some states. They also claimed it was a “regressive tax” that would increase burden on middle class, raise rates, and not account for family support.
Cain had few allies, but defended his plan, said the math is available on his web site, and told the other candidates they were trying to mix apples and oranges, as in national and state sales taxes. He emphasized removing the 10 million word tax plan with something simple that would create jobs.
The other candidates sounded kind of slow, by pretending they did not realize there’s a difference between the two, but they claimed to not understand it. Newt defended the plan as bold, but said it would take several years to think it through.
The next invitation Cooper issued was for Perry and Romney to attack each other since Perry had previously called Romney a failure as governor.
Perry said we need an administration that doesn’t block our ability to harvest our own energy, so we can create jobs and have energy independence, to which Romney agreed. Romney defended Romneycare from various attacks, as not being the basis for Obamacare.
Newt pointed out a Boston Herald report that the state is fining small businesses $3000 each, because their $750 per month health care plan is inadequate to the bureaucrats in Boston. He said it was a faulty plan because it was designed in a top-down, big government fashion. It also would not have worked in other states that didn’t have such an expensive federal Medicaid donation.
Obamacare Alternatives and How to Implement Them
All candidates agreed that Obamacare needs to be repealed, and offered solutions where patients and doctors could make decisions rather than the government.
Rep. Paul summarized the mutual feelings best: “Too much government is the problem… whenever government gets involved in something, the prices go up.”
At this point, Perry suddenly turned to Romney and brought up the same accusation from 4 years ago, that Romney had hired illegal aliens to work on his property (which McCain had, with the same certainty, accused of Romney, along with having a pink house, both of which Romney had denied.)
Romney, first laughed off the comment, then after being repeatedly interrupted by Perry in his defense of this, proceeded to lecture Perry on the rules of debate, told Perry he might be testy after some tough debates, and that if Perry wants to be president, he should learn to let other people speak. Perry received some boos during his interruptions.
How to Secure the Mexican Border
In the next question, Cooper stated that Cain had said at one point he would build an electrified fence on the Mexican border, but later said it was a joke, then again said he meant it. Cooper asked him to clarify.
Cain responded that we should secure the entire border with a fence, and use technology and boots on the ground to monitor it. He also wants to improve the existing path to citizenship and enforce current immigration laws.
When asked if he would build a fence, Perry stated that we could build a fence, but it would take 15 years and $30 billion, but in the meantime we need boots on the ground. A wiser expenditure would be to build fences in places where it makes sense, and use predator drones to monitor the entire border and give real time information to soldiers on the ground.
Bachmann’s take was a bit different, as she believes it already costs $118 billion per year for our government to take care of illegal immigrants, robbing each American household of about $1000 per year. Therefore she would build a fence along the entire border, and remove taxpayer subsidies for illegal aliens.
Romney basically agreed with a fence and personnel to secure the border, and noted that 400 million are waiting to come here legally, and he would prefer they come in that way. He also claimed that illegal immigration to Texas had increased 60% under Perry because of the “magnets” like in-state tuition for children of illegal immigrants.
Cooper then of course raised the question of how they will woo the Latino vote after the racist act of closing off the border. Newt said that people that came here legally should have the same America as everyone else.
Paul wants to remove the incentives for illegal aliens to be here, and to stop the group mentality of giving to one group (race) of people and removing benefits from another, and also that we should worry more about securing our own border than the Afghanistan-Pakistan border.
Cain said people of all color need a growing economy. Perry said using our own energy resources would create jobs for them, but the current administration wants energy prices to go up instead. None of the candidates would repeal the 14th amendment which protects “anchor babies.”
Opening a National Nuclear Depository at Yucca Mountain
Obviously a controversial topic in Nevada, there were some well thought out answers for this issue, which would require all nuclear waste in the nation to be hauled to Yucca mountain for storage.
Newt said we need to find a place to keep the waste geologically safe for however many thousands of years, and previous studies suggested Yucca was such a place.
Paul questioned the right of 49 other states to punish one state by dumping their garbage in it. The private companies should solve it, and energy shouldn’t be subsidized.
Romney said that Nevada should be able to say no if they don’t want the nuclear storage at Yucca, and the energy companies should give them a good deal to change their mind. States could have competing bids if Nevada doesn’t want it.
Perry, in a rare moment, said “Mitt has hit this nail on the head,” and also agreed with Paul’s take.
Nevada Devastated by Real Estate Bubble
Santorum first claimed that everyone else on the stage supported the TARP bailout plan, except for himself, to which he was met immediately with shouts of “Wrong” by Perry and Cain. The former senator insisted that Perry wrote a letter to congress to pass it on the day of the vote. He added that we need to let the markets work and not have managed failure.
Perry stated his letter was not to pass TARP, but to decrease regulations and taxes on business.
Romney disapproved of the idea that Washington DC can help the economy by intervening.
Cain said he supported the concept of TARP, but not how it was used by the administration.
Bachmann used this opportunity to appeal to women who are at the end of their rope and losing their homes where they raise children.
The “Occupy Wall Street” Idiots
Cooper quoted Cain as saying, “don’t blame banks or Wall Street; blame yourselves.”
Cain said that Wall St didn’t put in place failed economic policies or destroy the economy, and they’re taking out their frustration in the wrong place. They should be going to the White House.
Paul would blame Wall St, the White House, and the Federal Reserve. The bailouts from both parties went to big banks that were ripping people off. They should have given the money to people losing their houses, not the banks. He added that the government is not capable of managing almost anything.
Romney pointed out that Obama has failed us on the economy, because he has no idea how the economy works or how to create jobs. Median income has dropped 12% in the last three years.
Should a Candidate be Judged on Religion
Cooper brought up the controversy surrounding Pastor Robert Jeffress, who supports Rick Perry, saying publicly that Mormonism is a cult, and asked if the voters should pay attention to the religion.
Santorum said the voters should pay attention to the candidate’s values and what their faith teaches them about how to live their lives. He said the road to salvation is not applicable to presidency, but the religion does have an impact on how the president will govern with respect to values.
Newt said none should judge others with their approach to faith, but because we are endowed by our creator with rights, who they pray to does matter.
Perry stated clearly that he did not believe the pastor’s remark about Mormonism, and Romney said he had heard worse disparaging comments about his faith.
Proposed Defense Budget Cut of $500 Billion
Bachmann said we’re losing international respect, as evidenced by an assassination attempt from Iran on US soil, and the president starting a conflict in a 4th foreign country was stretching our troops too thin. Her number one issue would be dealing with Iran and their nuclear ambitions.
Newt had the rant of the night by far on this one, and it’s worth quoting, “…look at this entire model of a super-committee, they have some magic number for us to get to, and if we don’t, then we all have to shoot ourselves in the head. Then they’ll come back with the idea that we merely cut off our right leg, and then we’ll be grateful that they’re only semi-stupid…The idea that we have a bunch of historically illiterate politicians, who have no sophistication about national security trying to make a numerical decision about the size of our defense budget, tells you everything you need to know about the bankruptcy of the current power to lead in this country, in both parties…. We need figure out what threatens us, and find strategies to defend them… I’m a hawk, but I’m a cheap hawk… to say I’m gonna put the security of the US against some arbitrary budget number, is suicidally stupid.” This rant was met with intermittent but thunderous applause after each point.
Paul said he doesn’t want to cut defense, but would like to retract many of our troops stationed in Korea, Germany, Japan, and other places where we have no business. “The financial calamity is going to be worse than someone trying to invade us.”
Foreign Aid: Should it Continue?
Perry would like to have a serious discussion about foreign aid and funding the UN.
Romney pointed out that we’re borrowing money from China and handing it over to other countries.
Paul said, “Foreign aid is where you take money from poor people in this country and give it to rich people in other countries, where they use it to build weapons of war.”
Bachmann said we shouldn’t cut foreign military aid to Israel, and we should be reimbursed by these nations which we have “liberated.”
Cain would like peace through strength, and start giving money to our friends instead of our enemies.
Who Can Beat Obama in the Presidential Election?
Cooper said a poll stated that 40% think Romney has the best chance, and Santorum only 1%. He asked if voters should go with the person they think can win.
Santorum said that less than half the people in a recent Pew poll could even name one of the GOP candidates. He stated his track record as winning twice in the swing-state of Pennsylvania, against Democrat incumbents, as an unabashed conservative. He neglected to mention that he didn’t win his last election, which in fact was more of an indictment on Bush and the entire GOP.
Romney stated his credentials as not spending his entire life in politics, but also as someone that created jobs in the private sector, and lowered unemployment to 4.7% in Mass as governor. He also stated that Perry supported Al Gore and 40% of Texas job growth involved illegal aliens.
Perry defended that he had created more jobs in 2 months in Texas than Mass has during Romney’s tenure, and said Romney was 47th in job growth.
Bachmann claimed Obama will definitely be a one-term president. She desires bold colors rather than pastels.
Newt said, “Maximizing bickering is probably not the best road to the White House,” referring to the debate format of back and forth quarreling. The former House Speaker said he would be strongest on sheer substance, and would like seven 3-hour debates, with no moderator, just a timekeeper. He would like to reestablish American values.

Newt Gingrich disapproved of the squabbling like children
The closing remark by Newt, who seems to be the father of all the bickering children on stage, sums up the whole discussion. Cain still refuses to attack other GOP candidates, but needs to do a better job of defending his tax and economic policies to have a chance.
The other candidates could learn from the wisdom of Newt and Ronald Reagan, but instead choose to attack each other, whether personally or on policy. They should be disparaging Obama, and promoting their own records and policies, rather than assaulting their other candidate’s record.
Why they insist on viciously attacking each other makes no political sense at all, but they fall into the same trap every time. It’s hard to believe but true. All of the negativity they unleashed will be rehashed by their opponents next year, who will use the same tactics against them.
Perhaps the voters should elect someone who they think has the best chance of beating Obama, not only in a debate, but because of their electability, including appearance, available funds, and commercial ability. Newt and Romney are the only candidates that seem capable of all of that.
US Presidential Debates- New Single Topic Format Proposed
by Real Deal on Sep.26, 2011, under Debates, Elections, Presidency, Taxation
Europe doesn’t do many things better than the US, but in certain categories like cheese, eating and debating, they are vastly superior. Cheese was doing just fine, and tasting great, until the good old US mass-manufacturing food companies made some processed cheese-like food and called it American Cheese, a disgrace to both the words American and Cheese.
But this isn’t just about cheese. What about the rest of the meal? When was the last time you sat down for a nice large dinner with family and friends? Traditional Europeans start with a fresh healthy salad and relaxing glass of wine, followed by soup and bread, cheese, and several other courses. They eat each course one at a time, giving it time to digest before starting the next. Then, perhaps a cigar and cognac after dinner to top it off. (Smoked outdoors, so nobody will instantly die on contact with the smoke.)
Of course, Europeans have much more time for this since they work, on average, 4 hours a day and get socialist reimbursements for the other 4 hours they were supposed to work. But they are healthier on average and have less heart and stress related problems. Admittedly, Americans are better at many other things, like working, watching TV, playing sports, and building weapons.
Let’s face it, the US is a fast-food, all-you-can-eat, buffet, dine-and-dash society, and the debates are the same way. Gorge yourself with a smorgasbord of top level subjects, complete with quips, ambushes, and crossfire, but few details or explanations. This format fills the senses for a couple of hours, but leaves the intellect completely unsatisfied.
It’s the American Idol generation. People can easily tune into a show for 2 hours on end, as long as each song doesn’t run longer than three minutes, and each panelist doesn’t talk for more than 30 seconds. Most people in this country can’t focus on any one subject for more than a few minutes, as ADD is rampant, apparently contagious, and spreads to every aspect of life, including eating and debate.
The US presidential and primary debates are something of a joke. They give each contender a full two minutes to weigh in on their entire opinion on a certain subject. Seriously, if Mitt Romney could explain his entire economic plan in two minutes, he wouldn’t have much of a plan other than some brief talking points. In fact, he does have a real plan, outlined in an 87 page PDF download from his web site.

For crying out loud (which many staffers did when they heard this) the Obamacare bill was over 2000 pages long, or about 12 times the size of the US Constitution. Do you think anyone can explain those contents in two minutes or less?
The point is that many of these candidates have detailed and extensive positions on almost every major issue, but you don’t hear them because they’re limited to two minutes on the stage. For example, these are all the phrases you will likely hear about taxes: tax cuts for middle class, Fair Tax, 999 Plan, close tax loopholes, no corporate subsidy, and so forth. But none of these are explained in detail.
More importantly, no explanations are available under the time constraint as to exactly HOW any of these strategies will help “jump-start the economy.” When some people hear “tax cuts” it may be that all they can picture is “tax cuts for the rich,” since they may not even pay the income tax. Further, they probably don’t understand how tax cuts of any kind would affect them.
What could be explained, if there were more time, is that tax cuts produce more government revenue after a year or two of implementation, due to a free-market increase in business investment activity. It could be explained that top-rate tax cuts have the most drastic effect, not only producing more revenue, but creating jobs, reducing consumer costs, and in general “jump-starting” the economy. The unemployed might then understand how tax policy affects their ability to obtain a job.
This article isn’t about tax policy. We have plenty of other articles and videos on this site about taxes. In fact, we made a video that took little over five minutes to explain how tax policy effects the economy, but the candidates have less than TWO minutes to hit their main talking points on the issue while providing whatever detail they can afford in the remaining seconds. It’s just not practical.
The debates we have now consist of shotgun topics, scatterbrain subjects, sound bytes, and random shots in a disorganized delusion and mockery of an actual debate. The result is that the public may know which candidates like or dislike each other, which ones think more quickly on their feet, have a better sense of humor, or respond to personal attacks better. That’s about all.

It would be a MAJOR improvement if each debate covered only one main topic. Let’s say each candidate in an 8-10 person debate, were given just five minutes to state their economic policy, followed by rebuttals and discussion for the next hour. The result would be a two-hour, informative discussion on tax and economic policy, that would be informative to the public, who could also use it to discern definitive similarities and differences on the various candidates.
When the slate narrows down to two or three candidates, such as the final stages of the primary, or the actual presidential debates, allow the candidates more time. Now, give each candidate a full 10-20 minutes to state and discuss their position on an issue without being interrupted or attacked. Then open it up for rebuttals and personal attacks. People could actually learn something in this format.
Look at what happened during the last presidential election. They had maybe 2-3 scatterbrain debates. I scored the debates and McCain won easily on about 75% of the issues, but maybe that’s because I actually understood the topics. However, what the public saw was a frustrated and anxious McCain, and a cool, calm Obama. Thus, without learning anything about the issues, the public decided Obama must have won.
So we ended up with an unknown, inexperienced communist running, or should we say, ruining, the country. It’s not all the fault of the debates of course. The media could have pointed out a few items from Obama’s past, such as those admitted in his book of spending several college years in a drug induced haze, and his communist ideals. They could have asked about his questionable past, such as being raised in Kenya, Indonesia, and his trips to Pakistan. in other words, the media could have done their job.
In fact, McCain could have raised these issues himself if he hadn’t been afraid to attack Obama for fear of being called a racist. But there wouldn’t have been much time to do so in their debates anyway, as he had one and two minute stints to sum up his entire policy on a single issue, and he was already flustered by dealing with the arrogance of his opponent and suddenly disrespectful media.
Even if his problems numbered many less than Obama, McCain had his share of them. How did McCain come to be the candidate anyway? Before the democrats crossed the line and voted for him in the primaries, there were several of this same type of useless debate that we’ve been discussing.
Perhaps if they had real debates, where you can get more than just talking points and sound bytes out of each candidate, a more viable challenger would have emerged as the clear victor. Instead, we had talk about pink houses and how a candidate may have employed an illegal alien as a housekeeper at some point in the past. Is that really what people wanted to know? Was it helpful to anyone?
What people really wanted to know primarily from each candidate is how their economic policy could work, what steps were required for implementation, and how soon effects could be realized. They also wanted to know more about the wartime strategy of each candidate.
In short, the current debate format, while somewhat entertaining, watching candidates deliver one liners, personal attacks, and glib witticisms, doesn’t do much to inform the public on the candidates or the issues.
We’re not here to complain about the problem though; we’re here to solve it through rational intellect. Going forward, let’s change the debate format.
For early primary debates with many candidates, as in more than three candidates, we’ll use a “short form” debate, and when the field narrows to the final contenders, we’ll use the “long form”. We should have a series of at least five debates to cover all the major policy areas.
Proposed format for single topic debates:
1. Select one major topic for each debate. Topics should be chosen according to importance.
- Economic / fiscal policy (taxes, spending, jobs, business, balanced budget, debt/deficit)
- This could be subdivided into two debates since it is by far the most important for voters
- National Security (terrorism, immigration, borders, war, peace, allies, enemies)
- Energy policy (oil, gas, prices, coal, nuclear, renewable, environment, independence)
- Social policy (education, morality, corruption, fraud, religion, law, abortion, social spending)
- Health care (health insurance, prevention, tort reform, government intervention)
2. Candidates state their platform or strategy in uninterrupted monologues:
- Short form debate: 5-10 minutes for each candidate as first hour of time allows
- Long form: 15-20 minutes for each candidate to lay out their policy or strategy
- Candidates can and should use props such as charts or graphics just as in a brief or lecture
3. Rebuttal and discussion period where candidates can respond, defend, or counterattack
- Short form: 2 minutes each rebuttal or response
- Long form: 5 minutes for each response
- Candidates can take turns with multiple responses as time allows
- Moderator can direct candidates to respond to a specific subtopic.
In this format, the public can not only learn something about the pertinent topics and issues, but also the major differences between the candidates on these subjects. Individuals can then make somewhat informed decisions on what candidate would best represent their needs and concerns.
Of course, even if debates were held in this format, fulfilling the purpose would still be contingent on Americans being able to tune in to one candidate for more than 2 minutes at a time. They might just be able to do that if the candidates offer colorful graphics or video during their presentation. Candidates should make use of the vast media technology we have and present images and statistics relevant to the discussion.
The media can help out the informational cause as well as their own by hyping up the debates and advertising them on their own channels and internet outlets. They can stream it on their web site and create podcasts. More traffic to a TV network means more revenue for that network. More traffic to a debate means a more informed voting public. Everyone’s a winner!












