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October 20, 2011

Jo Biden is already taking credit for the Gaddafi death, saying, “We spent only $2 billion without losing a single life, and he’s dead.” The fact is that US forces weren’t even part of the air strike or ground troops that found the dictator, which is the primary reason there was no US loss of life, and we had no business in Libya anyway.  Senator Mccain has jumped on the bandwagon, giving Obama credit.

A NATO strike on his compound at 6am sent his convoy speeding away, but they could not outrun more NATO jets that struck his vehicles. Obama will no doubt at some point falsely claim that he ordered the strike, just like he lied about the Bin Laden death, which he also had nothing to do with.

Gaddafi then tried to escape on foot but to no avail. Gaddafi was reported to have been found hiding in a concrete pipe, pleading for his life. He was shot in the head and legs, and the details are unclear, but it appears he was fatally shot after he was found, telling them to not shoot, as an execution.

The opposition forces who found the tyrant then paraded his body around for international TV so that everyone could see he was indeed dead, shouting “Allahu Akbar” (Allah is Great). They immediately released photos and videos, including the shaky video below provided by the UK Mirror. It has been reported that this rebel group is also persecuting Jews in the name Allah.

The bottom line is that the tyrant who once called Obama his muslim brother during a speech (that’s on video, it’s true) is now dead and it has nothing to do with this administration’s incompetent foreign policy.

All of Obama’s actions in sending US soldiers off to die in foreign lands that they shouldn’t be in, are geared to shore up his national security credentials, which he doesn’t have, so that he can claim he’s tough on foreign policy and so forth, to get re-elected.

Sponsors:  CNN and the Western Republican Leadership Conference

Location:  Sands Expo Convention Center, Las Vegas, NV

Moderator:  Anderson Cooper (90)

Participants:  Gov Mitt Romney, Gov Rick Perry, CEO Herman Cain, Sen Rick Santorum, Rep Newt Gingrich, Rep Ron Paul, Rep Michele Bachmann (Gov Huntsman boycotted due to date changes.)

The debate began with Anderson Cooper’s open-ended invitation for everyone to attack Hermann Cain, an offer they all took him up on.  Then it proceeded with quarreling and attacking, mostly involving Romney and Perry, and ended with Newt disapproving of the constant squabbling during the debate.

 

The following is a list of topics to choose from in this article. Underlined comments in the section represent best answers given.

Ranking the Debaters and Summary

Taxes and Cain’s 999 Plan

Obamacare Alternatives and How to Implement Them

How to Secure the Mexican Border

Opening a National Nuclear Depository at Yucca Mountain

Nevada Devastated by Real Estate Bubble

The “Occupy Wall Street” Idiots

Should a Candidate be Judged on Religion

Proposed Defense Budget Cut of $500 Billion

Foreign Aid: Should it Continue?

Who Can Beat Obama in the Presidential Election?

Conclusion

 

Ranking the Debaters

This is how the candidates performed and their best answers or quotes.  Note, these are not a ranking of the candidates themselves, just how they performed in the debate.

Rank	Candidate	Notes	Comment or Quote
1	Newt Gingrich, Former Speaker of the House	Smartest person on stage, best debater, with most sense and knowledge	“The idea that we have a bunch of historically illiterate politicians, who have no sophistication about national security trying to make a numerical decision about the size of our defense budget, tells you everything you need to know about the bankruptcy of the current power to lead in this country, in both parties… to say I’m gonna put the security of the US against some arbitrary budget number, is suicidally stupid.” “Maximizing bickering is probably not the best road to the White House.”

2

Ron Paul, House Rep from Texas

Hard to argue with his limited government common sense policies.  Had best responses in several categories, see right column

“Too much government is the problem… whenever government gets involved in something, the prices go up.”Paul wants to remove the incentives for illegal aliens to be here, and to stop the group mentality of giving to one group (race) of people and removing benefits from another, and also that we should worry more about securing our own border than the Afghanistan-Pakistan border.Paul questioned the right of 49 other states to punish one state by dumping their garbage in it. The private companies should solve it, and energy shouldn’t be subsidized. “Foreign aid is where you take money from poor people in this country and give it to rich people in other countries, where they use it to build weapons of war.”

3	Mitt Romney, former Mass Governor	Co-smartest person, wealth of knowledge on issues.  Too much bickering with Perry	Romney said that Nevada should be able to say no if they don’t want the nuclear storage at Yucca, and the energy companies should give them a good deal to change their mind.  States could have competing bids if Nevada doesn’t want it.Romney pointed out that we’re borrowing money from China and handing it over to other countries.
4	Rick Santorum, former Penn Senator	Also very sharp, with great specific knowledge on issues, but too much bickering.	Santorum said the voters should pay attention to the candidate’s values and what their faith teaches them about how to live their lives.Santorum said that less than half the people in a recent Pew poll could even name one of the GOP candidates.  He stated his track record as winning twice in the swing-state of Pennsylvania, against Democrat incumbents, as an unabashed conservative.
5	Michele Bachman, House Rep from Minn	Smart and interesting, but gave too many specifics on what’s wrong, with no specifics on how to fix	Bachmann said you can’t give congress a new tax because they won’t get rid of the old one and they’ll raise the rate on it, whatever it may be. Her plan, which was not specified, calls for abolishing the income tax and flattening it for all Americans, but everyone should pay something.Bachmann’s take was a bit different, as she believes it already costs $118 billion per year for our government to take care of illegal immigrants, robbing each American household of about $1000 per year.
6	Hermann Cain, former CEO of Godfather’s Pizza	Didn’t have time to adequately defend and explain his economic plan, seemed discouraged after initial attack.	Cain had few allies, but defended his plan, said the math is available on his web site, and told the other candidates they were trying to mix apples and oranges, as in national and state sales taxes.  He emphasized removing the 10 million word tax plan with something simple that would create jobs.Cain said that Wall St didn’t put in place failed economic policies or destroy the economy, and they’re taking out their frustration in the wrong place. They should be going to the White House.
7	Rick Perry, current Governor of Texas	Another bad night, got too involved personally with Romney, and anger was showing	Perry said we need an administration that doesn’t block our ability to harvest our own energy, so we can create jobs and have energy independence.Perry stated that we could build a fence, but it would take 15 years and $30 billion, but in the meantime we need boots on the ground.  A wiser expenditure would be to build fences in places where it makes sense, and use predator drones to monitor the entire border and give real time information to soldiers on the ground.

 

Details of the debate are listed below by category.  Best answers are underlined.

 

Taxes and Cain’s 999 Plan

Bachmann said you can’t give congress a new tax because they won’t get rid of the old one and they’ll raise the rate on it, whatever it may be. Her plan, which was not specified, calls for abolishing the income tax and flattening it for all Americans, however, everyone should pay, even if it’s just one dollar, just for the benefit of living here. Obama’s plan is destroying the economy.

Others such as Perry and Romney told Cain his plan “wouldn’t fly” because people would have to pay a national and state sales tax, in fact doubling purchase tax in some states.  They also claimed it was a “regressive tax” that would increase burden on middle class, raise rates, and not account for family support.

Cain had few allies, but defended his plan, said the math is available on his web site, and told the other candidates they were trying to mix apples and oranges, as in national and state sales taxes.  He emphasized removing the 10 million word tax plan with something simple that would create jobs.

The other candidates sounded kind of slow, by pretending they did not realize there’s a difference between the two, but they claimed to not understand it.  Newt defended the plan as bold, but said it would take several years to think it through.

The next invitation Cooper issued was for Perry and Romney to attack each other since Perry had previously called Romney a failure as governor.

Perry said we need an administration that doesn’t block our ability to harvest our own energy, so we can create jobs and have energy independence, to which Romney agreed.  Romney defended Romneycare from various attacks, as not being the basis for Obamacare.

Newt pointed out a Boston Herald report that the state is fining small businesses $3000 each, because their $750 per month health care plan is inadequate to the bureaucrats in Boston.  He said it was a faulty plan because it was designed in a top-down, big government fashion.  It also would not have worked in other states that didn’t have such an expensive federal Medicaid donation.

 

Obamacare Alternatives and How to Implement Them

All candidates agreed that Obamacare needs to be repealed, and offered solutions where patients and doctors could make decisions rather than the government.

Rep. Paul summarized the mutual feelings best: “Too much government is the problem… whenever government gets involved in something, the prices go up.”

At this point, Perry suddenly turned to Romney and brought up the same accusation from 4 years ago, that Romney had hired illegal aliens to work on his property (which McCain had, with the same certainty, accused of Romney, along with having a pink house, both of which Romney had denied.)

Romney, first laughed off the comment, then after being repeatedly interrupted by Perry in his defense of this, proceeded to lecture Perry on the rules of debate, told Perry he might be testy after some tough debates, and that if Perry wants to be president, he should learn to let other people speak. Perry received some boos during his interruptions.

 

How to Secure the Mexican Border

In the next question, Cooper stated that Cain had said at one point he would build an electrified fence on the Mexican border, but later said it was a joke, then again said he meant it. Cooper asked him to clarify.

Cain responded that we should secure the entire border with a fence, and use technology and boots on the ground to monitor it.  He also wants to improve the existing path to citizenship and enforce current immigration laws.

When asked if he would build a fence, Perry stated that we could build a fence, but it would take 15 years and $30 billion, but in the meantime we need boots on the ground.  A wiser expenditure would be to build fences in places where it makes sense, and use predator drones to monitor the entire border and give real time information to soldiers on the ground.

Bachmann’s take was a bit different, as she believes it already costs $118 billion per year for our government to take care of illegal immigrants, robbing each American household of about $1000 per year.  Therefore she would build a fence along the entire border, and remove taxpayer subsidies for illegal aliens.

Romney basically agreed with a fence and personnel to secure the border, and noted that 400 million are waiting to come here legally, and he would prefer they come in that way.  He also claimed that illegal immigration to Texas had increased 60% under Perry because of the “magnets” like in-state tuition for children of illegal immigrants.

Cooper then of course raised the question of how they will woo the Latino vote after the racist act of closing off the border.  Newt said that people that came here legally should have the same America as everyone else.

Paul wants to remove the incentives for illegal aliens to be here, and to stop the group mentality of giving to one group (race) of people and removing benefits from another, and also that we should worry more about securing our own border than the Afghanistan-Pakistan border.

Cain said people of all color need a growing economy.  Perry said using our own energy resources would create jobs for them, but the current administration wants energy prices to go up instead. None of the candidates would repeal the 14^th amendment which protects “anchor babies.”

 

Opening a National Nuclear Depository at Yucca Mountain

Obviously a controversial topic in Nevada, there were some well thought out answers for this issue, which would require all nuclear waste in the nation to be hauled to Yucca mountain for storage.

Newt said we need to find a place to keep the waste geologically safe for however many thousands of years, and previous studies suggested Yucca was such a place.

Paul questioned the right of 49 other states to punish one state by dumping their garbage in it. The private companies should solve it, and energy shouldn’t be subsidized.

Romney said that Nevada should be able to say no if they don’t want the nuclear storage at Yucca, and the energy companies should give them a good deal to change their mind.  States could have competing bids if Nevada doesn’t want it.

Perry, in a rare moment, said “Mitt has hit this nail on the head,” and also agreed with Paul’s take.

 

Nevada Devastated by Real Estate Bubble

Santorum first claimed that everyone else on the stage supported the TARP bailout plan, except for himself, to which he was met immediately with shouts of “Wrong” by Perry and Cain.  The former senator insisted that Perry wrote a letter to congress to pass it on the day of the vote. He added that we need to let the markets work and not have managed failure.

Perry stated his letter was not to pass TARP, but to decrease regulations and taxes on business.

Romney disapproved of the idea that Washington DC can help the economy by intervening.

Cain said he supported the concept of TARP, but not how it was used by the administration.

Bachmann used this opportunity to appeal to women who are at the end of their rope and losing their homes where they raise children.

 

The “Occupy Wall Street” Idiots

Cooper quoted Cain as saying, “don’t blame banks or Wall Street; blame yourselves.”

Cain said that Wall St didn’t put in place failed economic policies or destroy the economy, and they’re taking out their frustration in the wrong place. They should be going to the White House.

Paul would blame Wall St, the White House, and the Federal Reserve. The bailouts from both parties went to big banks that were ripping people off. They should have given the money to people losing their houses, not the banks.  He added that the government is not capable of managing almost anything.

Romney pointed out that Obama has failed us on the economy, because he has no idea how the economy works or how to create jobs.  Median income has dropped 12% in the last three years.

 

Should a Candidate be Judged on Religion

Cooper brought up the controversy surrounding Pastor Robert Jeffress, who supports Rick Perry, saying publicly that Mormonism is a cult, and asked if the voters should pay attention to the religion.

Santorum said the voters should pay attention to the candidate’s values and what their faith teaches them about how to live their lives.  He said the road to salvation is not applicable to presidency, but the religion does have an impact on how the president will govern with respect to values.

Newt said none should judge others with their approach to faith, but because we are endowed by our creator with rights, who they pray to does matter.

Perry stated clearly that he did not believe the pastor’s remark about Mormonism, and Romney said he had heard worse disparaging comments about his faith.

 

Proposed Defense Budget Cut of $500 Billion

Bachmann said we’re losing international respect, as evidenced by an assassination attempt from Iran on US soil, and the president starting a conflict in a 4^th foreign country was stretching our troops too thin.  Her number one issue would be dealing with Iran and their nuclear ambitions.

Newt had the rant of the night by far on this one, and it’s worth quoting, “…look at this entire model of a super-committee, they have some magic number for us to get to, and if we don’t, then we all have to shoot ourselves in the head.  Then they’ll come back with the idea that we merely cut off our right leg, and then we’ll be grateful that they’re only semi-stupid…The idea that we have a bunch of historically illiterate politicians, who have no sophistication about national security trying to make a numerical decision about the size of our defense budget, tells you everything you need to know about the bankruptcy of the current power to lead in this country, in both parties….  We need figure out what threatens us, and find strategies to defend them… I’m a hawk, but I’m a cheap hawk… to say I’m gonna put the security of the US against some arbitrary budget number, is suicidally stupid.” This rant was met with intermittent but thunderous applause after each point.

Paul said he doesn’t want to cut defense, but would like to retract many of our troops stationed in Korea, Germany, Japan, and other places where we have no business. “The financial calamity is going to be worse than someone trying to invade us.”

 

Foreign Aid: Should it Continue?

Perry would like to have a serious discussion about foreign aid and funding the UN.

Romney pointed out that we’re borrowing money from China and handing it over to other countries. 

Paul said, “Foreign aid is where you take money from poor people in this country and give it to rich people in other countries, where they use it to build weapons of war.”

Bachmann said we shouldn’t cut foreign military aid to Israel, and we should be reimbursed by these nations which we have “liberated.”

Cain would like peace through strength, and start giving money to our friends instead of our enemies.

 

Who Can Beat Obama in the Presidential Election?

Cooper said a poll stated that 40% think Romney has the best chance, and Santorum only 1%. He asked if voters should go with the person they think can win.

Santorum said that less than half the people in a recent Pew poll could even name one of the GOP candidates.  He stated his track record as winning twice in the swing-state of Pennsylvania, against Democrat incumbents, as an unabashed conservative.  He neglected to mention that he didn’t win his last election, which in fact was more of an indictment on Bush and the entire GOP.

Romney stated his credentials as not spending his entire life in politics, but also as someone that created jobs in the private sector, and lowered unemployment to 4.7% in Mass as governor. He also stated that Perry supported Al Gore and 40% of Texas job growth involved illegal aliens.

Perry defended that he had created more jobs in 2 months in Texas than Mass has during Romney’s tenure, and said Romney was 47^th in job growth.

Bachmann claimed Obama will definitely be a one-term president.  She desires bold colors rather than pastels.

Newt said, “Maximizing bickering is probably not the best road to the White House,” referring to the debate format of back and forth quarreling. The former House Speaker said he would be strongest on sheer substance, and would like seven 3-hour debates, with no moderator, just a timekeeper.  He would like to reestablish American values.

 

Conclusion

The closing remark by Newt, who seems to be the father of all the bickering children on stage, sums up the whole discussion.  Cain still refuses to attack other GOP candidates, but needs to do a better job of defending his tax and economic policies to have a chance.

The other candidates could learn from the wisdom of Newt and Ronald Reagan, but instead choose to attack each other, whether personally or on policy.  They should be disparaging Obama, and promoting their own records and policies, rather than assaulting their other candidate’s record.

Why they insist on viciously attacking each other makes no political sense at all, but they fall into the same trap every time.  It’s hard to believe but true.  All of the negativity they unleashed will be rehashed by their opponents next year, who will use the same tactics against them.

Perhaps the voters should elect someone who they think has the best chance of beating Obama, not only in a debate, but because of their electability, including appearance, available funds, and commercial ability.  Newt and Romney are the only candidates that seem capable of all of that.

How the contenders weighed in on each position in the TEA Party debate moderated by CNN’s Wolf Blitzer.

Social Security

Bachmann:         They keep raiding the funds. Obama stole $ millions from Medicare to use for Obamacare.

Romney:              Without stating views of his own, went on attack on Perry for his calling it a Ponzi, that it was unconstitutional and should be dismantled.  Clarified after Perry’s counterattack that he believed Congress raiding the SS fund was criminal.

Perry:    The system is broken and we need courage to transform it for those in mid career that don’t know whether it will be there or not.  Retaliated that Mitt stated in his book that SS was criminal.

Paul:      Said we should spend the money on SS instead of wars and other stuff we’re doing around the world. Young people should get out of SS and go it on their own.

Cain:      We need optional personal retirement accounts.  Instead of fed govt giving money to states, give it back to the workers.

Hunstman:          Americans don’t want to be frightened, they want solutions.  “We have the answers, we just don’t have the leadership.” Gave no specifics whatsoever.

Newt:   “I’m not worried about Romney and Perry frightening the American people, when Obama scares them every day.” (surprised by large amount of applause drawn.)  Obama has threatened to withhold SS checks, and politicians shouldn’t have the power to do that.  People should have control over their own accounts.

Santorum:           Wolf tried to get him to side with Perry or Romney, as if there hadn’t been several different views offered, to which he replied, “The question is, who’s with me?”  He said SS is in trouble and they need somebody with the courage to address it.

 

Balancing the Budget, Erasing Debt, without Compromising Senior Benefits

Newt:   We balanced the budget before starting in 1994, it’s not a theory.  If you modernize govt (strongamericanow.org) you can save $500 million a year.  “Check and see if the supercommittee of 12 in their august power, is willing sit down with that group and actually learn how to be smart rather than cheap.” $70-120 billion per year in Medicaid is being paid to crooks.

(Wolf then changed the subject to prescription drug benefits)

Santorum:           We can keep a RX program but we have to pay for it.  One size fits all system run by the govt is not the answer.  Obama thinks he knows how to purchase your medical care better than you.

Wolf then tried to get Perry to commit to voting to repeal the RX benefit for seniors that Bush passed.  Wolf: president’s don’t vote; they sign into law, or veto.

Perry:    No (on repeal). But it’s a big hole in the budget, and you have to find the savings while still delivering the service. They combined 10 agencies into 5 in Texas, and saved $5.3 billion by finding waste.  Then Wolf asked again would he repeal it, and Perry said that’s how I started the conversation.

Romney:              Would reform RX, Medicare, Medicaid, and SS.  We can’t just cut waste, we need to cut spending, which he would cap at 20% of GDP.  “We need to stop the growth of the fed govt, and start the growth of the private sector.”

Paul:      $1.5 trillion overseas on wars we don’t need to be in, we need to take that money and put it into here.  Need to cut dept’s of energy and education.

Bachmann:         The principal needs to change that fed govt is going to pay for everything for everyone.  We need to return to a society of personal responsibility.  (best answer)

 

What is the plan to get the economy moving forward again?

(Wolf rephrased:  What’s the first thing you would do, knowing Obama formally gave legislation to Congress today with his jobs plan?  That wasn’t the question, Wolf. We’re going post-Obama here.)

Huntsman:          “What we’re seeing play out in America is a human tragedy.”  People are dispirited, can’t find jobs, etc.  WSJ has endorsed his tax code reform plan.  We need regulatory reform and can’t go forward with Obamacare or Dodd/Frank.  We need to wean off “heroin-like” dependence on foreign oil and have energy independence.

Wolf then rephrased again for Perry:  Obama has offered all those tax credits, do you support that?

Perry:    Obama will pay for it by raising taxes.  “President spent $800 billion on the first stimulus package that created zero jobs. This one is $400B.  I can do that math on that one: half of zero jobs, is gonna be zero jobs.” President doesn’t understand how to free up business men and women and Wall Street by lowering their taxes and regulations.  “People are tired of spending money we don’t have on programs we don’t want.”

Bachmann:         With $1 trillion in new spending that you don’t pay for, the deficit can only go up.  They should have never raised the debt ceiling, giving Obama another blank check to spend.  It’s easy enough to turn around the economy, you just need the backbone to do it.

Cain:      “This economy is on life support.”  We don’t need govt picking winners and losers. “We need bold plans, like my 999 plan: 9% corp. tax, 9% income tax, and 9% natl. sales tax.  People say ‘you can’t do that, you don’t know how Wash works.’ I say, yes I do: it doesn’t.”

Wolf then tried to get Romney to give Perry credit for job creation in Texas. It was weird.

Romney:              Rattled off half a dozen things like balancing the budget.  Said Perry was dealt 4 aces in Texas and would have been a fool to fold them:  0 income tax, low regulation, right to work, oil in the ground, and GOP legislature.  That’s actually 5 aces but who’s counting.

Perry:    Obama has overseen loss of $2.5 million jobs.  Texas has created $1 million during the same time, which were rough times.  “You want to talk about some powerful job creation, tell the trial lawyers to get out of your state and stop costing business men and women.”  We cut taxes by $14 billion.

Paul:      Taxes and debt have doubled while Perry has been governor of Texas.  “You don’t have to pay for a tax cut, if you think about it that way, then the govt owns all the money.”

Newt:   In 4 years as speaker, America created more jobs than any state did during any of the governors did in their states during their tenure.

 

Federal Reserve:  Should it be audited and held accountable?

Santorum:           Yes, we need sound money.  “Obama’s economy would have to make a drastic improvement to become a disaster.”

Cain:      Yes. It’s scope should be narrowed and focused only on sound money.

Bachman:            The Fed can’t have this kind of power, making loans to foreigners, etc, and would not reappoint Bernanke, and would never have had the bailout.

Perry:    If you’re using the Fed for political purposes, that is treasonous.  Not a fan of using the Fed to cover up bad fiscal policy.

Romney:              People won’t invest in this country if they don’t have faith in our currency.

 

Taxes

Next, a young man from Napa asked: “Out of every dollar that I earn, how much do you think I deserve to keep?” to great applause from both audiences.

Huntsman:          Has a tax program that lowers the flat rate and phases out corp. subsidies.  Need a fair tax code, we could leave it at 8%, 14% and 24% for the 3 rates.  Need to address debt and growth.

Wolf to Newt: Some of largest companies, like oil co’s, get govt breaks in form of tax breaks, exemptions, tax loopholes and so forth while making billions.  Is that fair?

Newt:  “I thought for a moment you were gonna refer to GE, which is paying no taxes.” To applause from audience.  “We have a problem with overspending, not with undertaxing.”

 

Wolf then went to a new question from Virginia, but at least it was somewhat on topic.  The question:  “Would any of you be willing to support the Fair Tax?”  Wolf clarifies that it means a national sales tax.

Romney:              It has a lot going for it, and reduces the burden on lower income and upper income, but not the middle income Americans.  His plan calls for no dividend tax or cap gains for middle income.

 

At this point, most people must have been confused that not everybody got to answer either of these tax questions, since they were the most popular, and most important to TEA partiers. But that’s the risk you run with a liberal like Wolf moderating.

 

Executive Orders:  When should they be used?

Paul:      It is often abused, and should never be used to legislate.

Perry:    Would use an exec order to get rid of as much of Obamacare as possible.  Had to clarify several times that he would have gone through legislature instead of exec order to do it again, but there was an opt-out that parents could sign.  He raised $30 million and couldn’t be bought for $5000.

Bachmann:         Attacked Romney’s exec order for cancer vaccine, and Obama’s exec order that insurance companies must offer morning after pills to everyone because he said so.  Claimed the drug company benefiting from Perry’s order had given campaign donations.

Santorum:           Students should be vaccinated at schools, but Perry’s policy was wrong. Give the opt-in rather than opt-out.

 

How to reduce the cost of health care and health insurance

Cain:      Repeal Obamacare.  Pass market driven, patient centered reform.  Pass loser-pay laws.  Medical liability is big expense because of tort suits.

Romney:              The cost of care is expensive because the patient co-pays and doesn’t know how much it really costs.  Obamacare raises taxes by $500 billion and cuts Medicare by $500B.  Obamacare panels dictate what kind of care you get.

Perry:    Obama said that Romney care was the model for Obamacare. They had the right to do it as a state (Mass) but they wouldn’t do it in Texas.

Paul:      They never turn people away from hospitals.  The churches would take care of those people that didn’t have insurance and needed emergency treatment.  Legalize alternative healthcare, let people practice what they want.

Bachmann:         No state or fed govt should be able to force a person to buy a product or service against their will.  (Best answer)

 

Plan to remove illegal immigrants from our country

Santorum:           Build the fence and secure the border with personnel, then address who’s already here.  Said Perry allowed in-state tuition for illegals.

Perry:    Govt has been massive failure defending 1200 mile Texas border.  $400M of Texas taxpayer money was spent for Texas rangers on recon missions to get some of these.   Great wall is not reality. Need boots on ground, aviation support, technology.  Fed govt needs to step up and do their constitutional duty of securing the border with Mexico. The choice in his state was giving them in-state tuition or letting them live off taxpayer money.  Only 4 dissenting legislature votes on giving them in-state tuition as long as they were working on citizenship.

Huntsman:          Fix homeland security, fix the root problems.  They gave in UT a separate driving privilege card to illegals so economy could continue to function.

Romney:              Build a fence, don’t give them drivers license or in state tuition.

 

Energy Independence

Cain:      Need to remove fed govt barriers to independence.  EPA has gone wild.  Need a Regulatory Reduction Commission, with appointees consisting of those that have been abused by the EPA.

 

Again, we’re not sure why only one person was allowed to answer one of the most important questions.

 

National Security

Newt:   Congress should be holding hearings now on threats from Iran, Turkey, and Mexico.

Paul:      Quoted Al-Qaeda on why they attacked us, to much displeasure from the crowd.  We have no authority to be policemen of the world, or to conduct nation building.

Santorum:           We were attacked because our civilization is antithetical to theirs.

(Subject changed to protecting women of Afghanistan by implanted Afghan woman)

Huntsman:          Time has come to get out of Afghanistan.  We don’t need nation-builders there when this nation needs to be built.  We can’t help other countries when our core is crumbling.  Need afghan people to take care of their own security.

Perry:    Agreed with Huntsman to bring our soldiers home.  Need conversation on how to deliver aid to those countries, and it’s not with soldiers with targets on back. We need some people there while their military takes control.

 

What would you bring to the White House as next President?

Examples:

Bush added a horseshoe pit.

Clinton added a jogging track.

Obama added a vegetable garden.

 

Santorum:           It’s obvious, we have 7 kids; we would add a bedroom and some beds.

Newt:   Reduce the size of it by getting rid of all the czars, creating a lot more space. We’d have music and ballet.

Perry:    Would bring the most beautiful, thoughtful, and incredible first lady this country has ever seen. (Awwww from crowd)

Paul:      Bushel basket of common sense, a course on something about the Austrian economics and business cycle to teach people why fed creates inflation and deflation.

Romney:              “You can count on Americans to get things right, after they exhausted all the alternatives,” by his hero Winston Churchill, whose bust Mitt would return to the Oval Office.

Bachman:            A copy of the Constitution, Declaration of Independence, and Bill of Rights. That’s it.

Cain:      “I would bring a sense of humor because America’s too uptight.”

Huntsman:          Would bring his Harley Davidson and motocross bike.

Let’s not forget it was highly trained Navy Seals that killed Bin Laden, not Obama, who is a cowardly fool that the old man Osama would whip with his cane.

Here’s Obama’s hypocrisy:

2008: “Navy Seal Team 6 is Cheney’s private assassination team.”
2011: “I put together Seal Team 6 to take out Bin Laden.”

2008: “Bin Laden is innocent until proven guilty, and must be captured alive and given a fair trial.”
2011: “I authorized Seal Team 6 to kill Bin Laden.”

2008: “Guantanamo is entirely unnecessary, and the detainees should not be interrogated.” “I will close Guantanamo.”
2011: “Vital intelligence was obtained from Guantanamo detainees that led to our locating Bin Laden.”

So why the change in heart over all of this? It’s quite simple, his aides told him he had to take credit for this, if it really happened, in order to get re-elected.

Obama is the same jackass whose administration tried to prosecute and court martial 3 Navy Seals for punching a terrorist while capturing him. So they’re not allowed hand to hand combat anymore? Soldiers can shoot, blow up, and otherwise maim the enemy, but can’t use martial arts?

If it sounds confusing, you’re not alone. Obama has no clue what he’s doing, doesn’t understand the purpose of the military, hates our armed forces, and has disdain for the entire Department of Defense. He is a naive, narcissistic, idiot pretending to be president, who will capitalize on any opportunity to lower his growing disapproval numbers.

Obama is not an American. Anyone who harbors such hatred for freedom, limited government, business people of all sorts, capitalism, the US Constitution and the US Armed Forces, and thinks the American people are stupid if they don’t agree with him, does not constitute an American.

In addition, anyone who aspires to increase government spending, taxes, and government control while decreasing the sovereignty, freedoms and bank accounts of the average citizen, can only be called anti-American.

An American is someone who believes in the American way as our founding fathers laid out and provided for us, not one who seeks to destroy it like the abomination called Obama.

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Islamists tore down the World Trade Center towers, killing thousands of people, wreaking untold terror and havoc, and causing immeasurable billions of dollars in damage. And they want to replace it with a mosque?

History is filled with victory mosques erected by Islamists in their ongoing conquest to conquer the world. The point of a victory mosque is to memorialize the geographical area that the Islamists consider to have conquered. It symbolizes that they have taken control of that territory.

Europe and Asia are filled with these monuments, from the Dome of the Rock, the Blue Mosque, the Sultanahmet Camii, and perhaps most notably, the Cordoba Cathedral, which was a mosque built on a cathedral.

The sites were not chosen randomly. Many of them were formerly Christian or Jewish or Hindu temples, or in close proximity to such. The sacred locations were chosen to symbolize that control was transferred from the other states or religions to the state of Islam.

The mosque planned at 9/11 Ground Zero is the latest in this process that has been going on for centuries. What is interesting about this one, is that it seems premature, considering they have not conquered New York or Manhattan. Or have they?

That depends. If the mosque is allowed to be erected on Park Place in Manhattan, then victory is theirs. It would be the crowning achievement to the 9/11 Islamic terrorist attacks, and it would indicate that they have indeed conquered Manhattan and NYC for that matter.

If it is disallowed as it should be, then there is no victory mosque, and no victory. 9/11 will remain a single battle that Islamofascists have won in an ongoing war that they have been waging against the rest of the world for over a millennium.

The spineless jellyfish that we call politicians in our capitol will do nothing about it, because they don’t want to offend Islam. They are afraid of Islam and would rather appease Islamofascists than put them back in their place.

One of the reasons that large scale, organized terrorist attacks have gone stale in recent years in the west is that they are now considered unnecessary by Islamists.

Indeed they have realized that Islam can take over tolerant, peaceful countries such as the US or GB by infiltrating and taking advantage of our lenient policies. And they are doing so quite effectively.

Replicating at rates double or triple that of other groups or religions in western countries, Islamists are taking over in number. It may take a few decades, but that time is short considering the centuries of brainwashed hatred that has been passed down to the current generations of Islam.

Once they have some numbers, they begin by changing local laws, and getting Shariah law implemented in various municipalities. Then they work their way up to the state and national levels.

It is insidious, much like communism, which it is currently teaming up with toward defeat of a common enemy. The appeasing communists will simply be eaten last by the crocodile, as predicted by Winston Churchill.

This is not about freedom of religion. For the moment let’s put aside the fact that the main proponent of the mosque is a radical muslim cleric who espouses the typical Islamic hatred of America and its ‘infidels’.

The US Dept of Justice under Clinton went after Branch Davidians by violent means, calling them a cult because they were harboring guns, which are still legal in the US for now, even if the leftists believe they shouldn’t be.

A cult is allowed under law if it doesn’t harm anyone. That can’t be said of Islam. Their ‘religion’ preaches hatred and the murder of ‘infidels’, meaning those of us who don’t believe what they do.

Is that not truly the definition of a cult? A group that preaches and executes the killing of others arbitrarily for not being a part of their cult.

The solution is that America has to realize that Islam is a violent cult, and it must be treated as such. That is, if there is still an America, which is a matter of debate.

Until then, Islamists will continue to take over, one victory mosque at a time.

Update: Attack # 18 came on December 25, 2009 as a Nigerian muslim attempted to ignite explosives on an airliner in Detroit, wishing everyone a Christmas as miserable as he is. Nobody was injured except himself.

Another radical muslim has just commited yet another terrorist act on our own US soil. Army Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, an admitted muslim, conducted his own jihad at the Fort Hood US Army base in Texas, leaving 13 dead and 29 others wounded, in the largest US terrorist attack since 2001.

Add this to the list of other individual radical muslim jihads since 9/11/2001:

· Muslim soldier who murdered his officers at US Army base in Kuwait in 2003 killing two

· Radical muslim imam has a shoot out with feds in Detroit last month and dies, fortunately

· Muslim fanatic attacked an Arkansas recruiting station in June of this year killing one

· New York muslim cable TV network owner beheads his wife in Feburary this year

· Muslim father ran over his own daughter in Arizona for being “too westernized” she lived

· 5 muslims arrested in 2007 for plot to kill Army members at Fort Dix NJ (3 were illegal aliens)

· Bosnian muslim in 2007 shoots up the Trolley Square in Utah leaving 5 dead, 4 wounded

· Muslim stole a car in Minneapolis and rammed other drivers in the name of Allah

· Muslim ran over people in San Francisco 2006 with his SUV, telling police he was a terrorist

· Muslim goes on a shooting rampage at Jewish community center in Seattle 2006

· Muslim student runs over students with SUV at a NC campus in 2006 to protest Iraq war

· Muslim student in OK blew himself up with a backpack bomb in 2005 outside of football stadium

· Egyptian muslim opened fire at LAX killing 2 and wounding 4 in 2002

· Saudi muslim student in Houston decapitated his Jewish “friend” in 2003

· Two gay muslims terrorize the entire national capital area in 2002, taking pot shots from the back of a car, known as the infamous “DC snipers” 13 total dead including previous shootings

· Muslim opened fire at New Orleans airport ticket counter in 2002, killing 1

That is a total of 17 terrorist attacks since 9/11 that I know of. There are perhaps others that the media successfully covered up, as they are very good at. Did you have any idea the count was that high?

The death toll is now 38, with dozens more injured, and untold millions terrorized.

If you notice, there is one thing all these attacks have in common: they were all conducted by muslims against unsuspecting people, in a cowardly manner. Another thing they have in common is that the government and media refuse to call them terrorist attacks.

Guns are not at fault here. Note in the list of above terrorist attacks, the diversity of weapons: guns, knives, bombs, and cars. A lot of people have cars, should we outlaw them?

Soldiers reported that Hasan shouted “Allahu Akbar!” while shooting at dozens of unarmed employees. This phrase, which means “Allah is great,” is always repeated by Islamo-fascist terrorists. It has something to do with their mental self-justification for doing something they know is a terrible crime.

Clearly, Hasan and his radical Islamic ideology are at fault, but also complicit in this act is political correctness, the same which has already compromised free speech, and has now compromised our own military, and with it our national security.

The signs of trouble were visible early in his career. In Army medical school, students and faculty both knew that Hasan had problems. In fact, one even told him so. “I told him, `There’s something wrong with you,’” said Osman Danquah, co-founder of the Islamic Community of Greater Killeen. “I didn’t get the feeling he was talking for himself, but something just didn’t seem right.”

His fellow students complained to the faculty about Hasan’s “anti-American propaganda,” but said a fear of appearing discriminatory against a Muslim student kept officers from filing a formal written complaint. You heard it right. Anti-American propaganda, and yet he stayed in the US army because of political correctness.

Dr. Finnel, who studied with him at medical school, said Hasan made a presentation that justified suicide bombing, spewed out anti-American propaganda, and argued that the war on terror was a war against Islam. Finnel and another student complained about him, but no formal complaint was filed.

Hasan received a poor performance evaluation, and had some problems that required counseling and additional supervision. Some of the doctors even reported that he had mental health problems. Despite all of this, they graduated him and promoted him to Major upon his graduation from the medical center.

But the story goes back to his youth, when Hasan attended a mosque in Falls Church that has been linked to 9/11 terrorists and al-Qaeda. The former imam of such mosque is a radical muslim known to be connected to al-Qaeda, named Anwar al-Awlaki, was in fact the leader of that temple while Hasan attended.

Awlaki praised the recent actions of Hasan:

“Nidal Hassan is a hero. He is a man of conscience who could not bear living the contradiction of being a Muslim and serving in an army that is fighting against his own people,” wrote al-Aulaqi, who now lives in Yemen since leaving the U.S. in 2002. “This is a contradiction that many Muslims brush aside and just pretend that it doesn’t exist. Any decent Muslim cannot live, understanding properly his duties towards his Creator and his fellow Muslims, and yet serve as a US soldier.”

I will agree with Awlaki on one point, that a muslim can not properly serve Islam and serve as a US soldier. I would strike the word “decent” and replace with “devout.”

During his time at Ft Hood, Hassan, who was a psychiatrist, was assigned to counseling soldiers returning home from war. So we had a psychotic doctor counseling other soldiers. That’s efficient. In this capacity, he told them to question whether their sacrifices in fighting the war were worth it, and argued with them about the nature of the war.

Hasan also warned a room full of senior Army physicians in early 2008, that to avoid adverse events, the military should allow muslim soldiers to be released as conscientious objectors instead of fighting in wars against other muslims.

Hasan was supposed to be making a presentation on a medical topic, but instead lectured them on Islam, suicide bombers, and threats the military could encounter from muslims conflicted about fighting in muslim countries. “It’s getting harder and harder for Muslims in the service to morally justify being in a military that seems constantly engaged against fellow Muslims,” he said in the presentation.

He was right that there would be problems, but apparently nobody knew he was talking about himself. I would have had one question for him: Why the hell are you still in the Army if you so vehemently disagree with everything they do?

The last bullet point on one page reads simply: “We love death more then (sic) you love life!” Ok, in the future I would advise these type of muslims to just kill themselves if they love death. Those of us that are normal people, don’t like it.

Under the “Conclusions” page, Hasan wrote that “Fighting to establish an Islamic State to please God, even by force, is condoned by the Islam,” and that “Muslim Soldiers should not serve in any capacity that renders them at risk to hurting/killing believers unjustly — will vary!”

The final page, labeled “Recommendation,” contained only one suggestion:

“Department of Defense should allow Muslims [sic] Soldiers the option of being released as ‘Conscientious objectors’ to increase troop morale and decrease adverse events.”

So this is the gratuity he shows the Army for sending him to medical school for free, paying him to be a subpar employee that constantly sought to undermine their mission and beliefs. A room full of dead soldiers.

On top of all of this, US Intelligence knew long before the attack, that Hasan has been in contact with an al-Qaeda sympathizer. About that term, in my book if you are a terrorist sympathizer, then you are a terrorist suspect. I mean, do we really have to assume you’re NOT going to act on your beliefs?

Hasan also showed some final typical warning signs, giving away belongings to others, saying good bye to friends and neighbors, and attending a local strip club named Starz several times in his final weeks before the attack. He assumed that he would end up dying in the attack, which he should have.

Hasan had also been in contact in 2008 with the same radical cleric named Awlaki referenced above, and federal authorities knew it. What did they do about it? Apparently, nothing. My guess is they were concerned about being accused of “profiling.”

Profiling is a term that in the past was used to describe a process by which law enforcement was doing their job correctly by singling out various individuals for surveillance who fit the profile of a criminal or terrorist. Now, it is a derogatory term and considered racist by the liberal media and others who collectively comprise the politically correct thought police.

In short, a process that used to protect our people by preventing crimes by would-be criminals, or at least bringing them to justice, is now itself a crime. That makes a lot of sense.

This “political correctness” movement is a thought control device used by communists, to not let people speak truths that they don’t want to hear. It has successfully infected all levels of our society, law enforcement, and now even the military.

But once the military and federal intelligence agencies are afraid to report the truth about someone who is obviously an Islamo-fascist wacko, what line of defense do we have against them? Who do we appeal to when they won’t do their job of eradicating extremists from their own ranks?

I would appeal to the American people as a whole. Stop complying with the communist thought police. Speak out about things you know are wrong. Don’t accept the dereliction of duty by federal employees. Don’t tolerate elected officials who try to sweep this under the rug or pretend it’s not a problem.

When we have a list of 17 terrorist attacks with 38 dead, and over 50 wounded, and millions terrorized, then it is definitely a problem.

We the people have a unique ability that is not available in most countries. That is, we can fire our elected public officials when we don’t agree with their policies (as long as we don’t let Acorn and other communist organizations undermine our vote with fraudulent election practices.)

Stop voting for that old windbag just because he or she brings pork into your state or district. If you’re a taxpayer, you’re paying for that pork anyway. Is it really worth sacrificing your own safety and that of your friends and neighbors?

Terrorism in this country is unacceptable. It may be acceptable in other countries, but not mine. I’m tired of living in my realistic fear that there is a radical muslim just around the corner, who may just be planning a terrorist attack.

Why do we have to live like this? We DON’T have to. We need to stand up for our rights to not be terrorized. We know who these people are. We know what mosques preach this kind of hatred. We need our law enforcement officials to protect us. Don’t accept anything less.

We can’t continue to stick our heads in the sand and pretend we don’t know what the problem is. The matter needs to be discussed and resolved. Radical muslims can not be allowed to exist in our society. I don’t care what we do with them, just get rid of them. Are you listening Congress?

Now that the presidential election of 2008 is apparently over, I’m hearing calls from the media, and Obama supporters, all across the fruited plain, about how we all need to unite and support our new President-elect.

These are the same people who have constantly bashed and berated President Bush for eight years, preaching hate and divisiveness every day, until they successfully turned the majority of public opinion against Bush.

The liberals, democrats, socialists, and communists (but then I just repeated myself several times) have done nothing but hate and disparage the President and his supporters for eight years.

The liberals have totally invested themselves to failure in Iraq. They actually want American troops to get killed, and fail, with the remainder coming home with their tails between their legs, waving the white flag of surrender. They want this all so that it will make Bush look bad, and make the liberals look like they were right about something, which they never are.

This is the same anti-American movement that halted all progress when they took over Congress two years ago.  The Democrats in Congress did nothing but bash President Bush and complain about all things Republican, while letting the housing and mortgage crisis spiral out of control.

They did nothing but preach divisiveness and partisanship.  The approval ratings of Congress reached an all-time low of around 10% this year, precisely because of this behavior.  Then they gained more seats in Congress? That’s really just difficult to believe.

Their President, Obama, has done nothing but complain about Bush, Mccain, and “eight years of failed Republican policies.” He has not offered any solutions to anything, besides surrender in Iraq and a tax cut to people who don’t pay taxes.

Let’s look at Obama’s bipartisan record.  When did he ever even attempt to unify Republicans, Democrats, and anyone in between? He staunchly toed the party platform of abortion, higher taxes, and higher government spending at every turn. He never participated in any attempt for bipartisanship or unity, much less led such an effort.

Obama preached communism as a community organizer in Chicago for several years, teaching that white people are evil and it’s time for lower class black people to participate in a communist revolution that would get even with the evil white man. Then he became a senator and backed the same causes.

“White folks greed runs a world in need.”  Wow, that’s a real unifying statement there. Yet, many white people apparently voted for the man as well. Obama happily went to a church espousing Black Liberation Theology for 20 years, a religion which teaches hatred and revenge against the White Man. That is the sign of a great unifier.

In case you’re still confused about the issue, read the full report on Barack Obama’s radical communist upbringing and connections, or watch the TV show. You just may learn something.

In the meantime, spare me the bullshit of calling us to unity, when we, meaning White Anglo-Saxon Protestants, have been the subjects of hatred, blame, and revenge for Senator Obama his entire life.

Obama and his communist buddies can get my support and unity when they espouse unifying conservative ideals, those which made this country great and expand opportunity and freedom. But what are the chances that he will suddenly wake up to reality and ditch his communist ideals? None, which is the same support he’ll get from me.

In the immortal words of Senator Hillary Clinton, “We need to stand up and say we’re Americans, and we have the right to debate and disagree with any administration!” As difficult as it is to listen to the Shrillary shriek that phrase, truer words have never been spoken. Just remember, that applies to the Obama administration as well.

I plan on joining some very special friends and supporters of Barack Obama (BO) in tomorrow’s Presidential Election:

• Rev “God Damn America” Wright who believes white people are all evil among other radical black liberation and communist thoughts
• Professor Bill Ayers, admitted and unrepentant bomber of the Capital and US Courthouses, admitted Marxist, Anarchist, and domestic terrorist. 
• Tony Rezco, a felon who’s in prison convicted of political fraud
• Louis Farakhan, a well known racist, anti-Jew, and crazy communist fool
• Raila Adinga, also 1^st cousin of Obama, prime minister of Kenya whose radical muslim mobs burned Christians alive in churches after he lost the election
• Hamas and Hezbollah, among other terrorists like Kadafi
• All supporters of  Che Guevara, the Argentine communist revolutionary
• It’s starting to smell poorly in here.

We believe in the following:

• People in the Midwest and South are bitter Americans clinging to their guns and religion
• The new president needs to be tested by international terrorists and troublemakers, within 6 months of his election, due to his inexperience. 
• Taxes need to be raised on corporations, resulting in more layoffs and higher prices
• Taxes should be raised on everyone that works to increase govt handouts to poor or those who don’t work; a large government-run social welfare program
• “If someone wants to build a coal plant they can, but if so we’ll bankrupt them” (-BO) with fines based on global warming regulations. Yes he said that.
• To each according to his needs, from each according to his abilities (Karl Marx)
• “White folks greed runs a world in need.”- Barack Hussein Obgama
• We should retreat from Iraq and leave it in the shambles it is right now
• Defense programs should be cut and social programs expanded
• The right to bear arms as stated in 2^nd amendment, should be taken away
• Babies born alive after failed abortion do not have the right to medical attention
• “If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. ” – Black Liberation Theology taught by Rev. Wright and others.

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